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17:57 and i think that is all i wanted to cover here and you can see there's no school impact fees because that only applies to residential projects same with park impact fees and i'll turn it over to steve yeah thanks chad good evening mayor council uh again steve wall public works director um chad got us through a good background of impact fees and system development charges and review fees uh slide seven talks uh about the fee analysis that we've already started and some that will will be starting soon so i i think made it might have been mentioned earlier we're starting or have started an update to the traffic impact fees and that will actually we'll have some information coming forward to council probably in the next couple of months before the end of the year on what the traffic impact fees look like and have a good conversation there uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh part of that will be in the next couple of months uh parks will be taking another uh parks will be taking another uh parks will be taking another look at the parks recreation cultural look at the parks recreation cultural

18:56 look at the parks recreation cultural services comprehensive plan and the services comprehensive plan and the services comprehensive plan and the associated park impact fee associated park impact fee associated park impact fee specifically as you see on the slide specifically as you see on the slide specifically as you see on the slide here is it notes a here is it notes a here is it notes a commercial park impact fee option so commercial park impact fee option so commercial park impact fee option so that's something that we'll be that's something that we'll be that's something that we'll be considering uh coming up in the next 18 considering uh coming up in the next 18 considering uh coming up in the next 18 months or so months or so months or so and then public works has a kind of a and then public works has a kind of a and then public works has a kind of a slate of slate of slate of analysis that are planned so we're just analysis that are planned so we're just analysis that are planned so we're just starting to kick off our utility rate starting to kick off our utility rate starting to kick off our utility rate analysis comprehensive analysis that's analysis comprehensive analysis that's analysis comprehensive analysis that's done done done every few years as part of that we'll do every few years as part of that we'll do every few years as part of that we'll do our system development charge review as our system development charge review as our system development charge review as well on both the water and sewer side well on both the water and sewer side well on both the water and sewer side and then the other thing that was and then the other thing that was and then the other thing that was mentioned earlier a couple of nuances mentioned earlier a couple of nuances mentioned earlier a couple of nuances here the engineering reviews we do have here the engineering reviews we do have here the engineering reviews we do have fees for engineering reviews right now fees for engineering reviews right now fees for engineering reviews right now for development projects however we for development projects however we for development projects however we don't have don't have don't have fees associated with the water and sewer fees associated with the water and sewer fees associated with the water and sewer engineering reviews so that's something engineering reviews so that's something engineering reviews so that's something that over time that over time that over time uh decision was made that you know i uh decision was made that you know i uh decision was made that you know i think we want to take another look at think we want to take another look at

19:55 think we want to take another look at that as we think about the impacts of that as we think about the impacts of that as we think about the impacts of you know the time and effort it takes to you know the time and effort it takes to you know the time and effort it takes to review those plans on the water and review those plans on the water and review those plans on the water and sewer utilities sewer utilities sewer utilities and then similarly on the inspection and then similarly on the inspection and then similarly on the inspection reviews so this would be construction reviews so this would be construction reviews so this would be construction inspection out in the field inspection out in the field inspection out in the field except for fire we actually don't collect except for fire we actually don't collect except for fire we actually don't collect any fees to recoup our costs for any fees to recoup our costs for any fees to recoup our costs for construction inspection review either construction inspection review either construction inspection review either and so there's a lot of time that goes and so there's a lot of time that goes and so there's a lot of time that goes into into into those activities in the field and so those activities in the field and so those activities in the field and so we're not currently capturing those we're not currently capturing those we're not currently capturing those costs as well so we want to take a look costs as well so we want to take a look costs as well so we want to take a look at that and understand at that and understand at that and understand what our costs are right and then have what our costs are right and then have what our costs are right and then have that conversation as well as we look at that conversation as well as we look at that conversation as well as we look at our utility rates and fees our utility rates and fees our utility rates and fees and then just a general note here most and then just a general note here most and then just a general note here most of our fees that you've seen that we're of our fees that you've seen that we're of our fees that you've seen that we're talking about are adjusted annually talking about are adjusted annually talking about are adjusted annually based on a cpi based on a cpi based on a cpi and one thing that we'll talk about a and one thing that we'll talk about a and one thing that we'll talk about a little bit more is just that i think little bit more is just that i think little bit more is just that i think it's important that we it's important that we it's important that we review that and understand review that and understand review that and understand what inflationary factor we're using what inflationary factor we're using what inflationary factor we're using and how that relates to the market and and how that relates to the market and

20:53 and how that relates to the market and how it relates to other factors that how it relates to other factors that how it relates to other factors that can affect these fees and that's can affect these fees and that's can affect these fees and that's generally what we'll talk about here generally what we'll talk about here generally what we'll talk about here coming up coming up coming up steve before you go on to the next slide steve before you go on to the next slide steve before you go on to the next slide i think i know commercial park but i think i know commercial park but i think i know commercial park but define it for me uh actually it's a define it for me uh actually it's a define it for me uh actually it's a review of review of review of the park impact fee as it relates to the the park impact fee as it relates to the the park impact fee as it relates to the impact of commercial and industrial impact of commercial and industrial impact of commercial and industrial development on parks and trails development on parks and trails development on parks and trails so currently the city just collects an so currently the city just collects an so currently the city just collects an impact fee based on residential uses impact fee based on residential uses impact fee based on residential uses and so when you build a new home or a and so when you build a new home or a and so when you build a new home or a multi-family residential you pay those multi-family residential you pay those multi-family residential you pay those fees fees fees for parks but if you come in and you for parks but if you come in and you for parks but if you come in and you build a commercial or an industrial build a commercial or an industrial build a commercial or an industrial facility you don't pay any park impact facility you don't pay any park impact facility you don't pay any park impact fees currently fees currently fees currently uh and i think the recognition kind of uh and i think the recognition kind of uh and i think the recognition kind of over the throughout the state over time over the throughout the state over time over the throughout the state over time is that hey our commercial and is that hey our commercial and is that hey our commercial and industrial businesses industrial businesses industrial businesses yes they bring a lot of value to the yes they bring a lot of value to the yes they bring a lot of value to the city and jobs but they also benefit from city and jobs but they also benefit from city and jobs but they also benefit from our parks and our parks and

21:53 our parks and trail systems and so you know the trail systems and so you know the trail systems and so you know the question then becomes should they also question then becomes should they also question then becomes should they also participate in funding participate in funding participate in funding of our parks and trail systems through of our parks and trail systems through of our parks and trail systems through payment of park impact fees payment of park impact fees payment of park impact fees okay thank you so why consider updates now so why consider updates now there's been actually a couple of good there's been actually a couple of good there's been actually a couple of good conversations already conversations already conversations already uh on this but both slide eight and uh on this but both slide eight and uh on this but both slide eight and slide nine slide nine slide nine talk to this um you know i think the talk to this um you know i think the talk to this um you know i think the first thing i would mention first thing i would mention first thing i would mention uh that's more generic is that uh that's more generic is that uh that's more generic is that this conversation shouldn't really be a this conversation shouldn't really be a this conversation shouldn't really be a static or a single point in time right static or a single point in time right static or a single point in time right this is uh ever evolving and revolving this is uh ever evolving and revolving this is uh ever evolving and revolving conversation and as we get towards the conversation and as we get towards the conversation and as we get towards the end end end we can talk about that a little bit more we can talk about that a little bit more we can talk about that a little bit more but i mean we are at a good point in but i mean we are at a good point in but i mean we are at a good point in time to review this we just finished the time to review this we just finished the time to review this we just finished the comprehensive plan comprehensive plan comprehensive plan we finished the we finished the we finished the transportation plans we're transportation plans we're transportation plans we're getting ready to finish the water getting ready to finish the water

22:53 getting ready to finish the water system plan right and so we have all the system plan right and so we have all the system plan right and so we have all the information and the data and it seems to information and the data and it seems to information and the data and it seems to be a good point to to look at all of be a good point to to look at all of be a good point to to look at all of this as a whole as patrick mentioned this as a whole as patrick mentioned this as a whole as patrick mentioned earlier earlier earlier but there are a number of reasons right but there are a number of reasons right but there are a number of reasons right of why why we want to look at this of why why we want to look at this of why why we want to look at this and i think one is you know we don't and i think one is you know we don't and i think one is you know we don't infrastructure is expensive and we don't infrastructure is expensive and we don't infrastructure is expensive and we don't ever want to ever want to ever want to short ourselves on that if we can help short ourselves on that if we can help short ourselves on that if we can help it right and that just means finding a it right and that just means finding a it right and that just means finding a balance and we'll talk about that as balance and we'll talk about that as balance and we'll talk about that as well here in a couple of slides but well here in a couple of slides but well here in a couple of slides but i think as an example of you know why we i think as an example of you know why we i think as an example of you know why we want to look at it i think as we went want to look at it i think as we went want to look at it i think as we went through the transportation uh impact fee through the transportation uh impact fee through the transportation uh impact fee analysis here recently and again analysis here recently and again analysis here recently and again you'll see that you'll see that you'll see that it had been a long time since we had it had been a long time since we had it had been a long time since we had reviewed those fees reviewed those fees reviewed those fees and primarily it was not necessarily the and primarily it was not necessarily the and primarily it was not necessarily the projects and stuff that were in there projects and stuff that were in there projects and stuff that were in there was i think my understanding is a lot of was i think my understanding is a lot of was i think my understanding is a lot of it was based on it was based on it was based on the construction cost estimates that the construction cost estimates that the construction cost estimates that were included and if those get outdated were included and if those get outdated were included and if those get outdated and they're not increased over time for and they're not increased over time for

23:51 and they're not increased over time for inflation right then your costs and your inflation right then your costs and your inflation right then your costs and your fees can get fees can get fees can get out of whack basically and not aligned out of whack basically and not aligned out of whack basically and not aligned and so i think that was a good example and so i think that was a good example and so i think that was a good example um i think as we're looking at our um i think as we're looking at our um i think as we're looking at our system development charges for water and system development charges for water and system development charges for water and sewer that's going to be another sewer that's going to be another sewer that's going to be another scenario where we haven't looked at them scenario where we haven't looked at them for you know i think six or seven years for you know i think six or seven years for you know i think six or seven years at this point at this point at this point and done a detailed analysis and a lot and done a detailed analysis and a lot and done a detailed analysis and a lot of things have changed during that time of things have changed during that time of things have changed during that time and and and that's going to be a big impact and that's going to be a big impact and that's going to be a big impact and then i think you know a big one is then i think you know a big one is then i think you know a big one is state law state law state law and that can mean various things uh and that can mean various things uh and that can mean various things uh different legislation that comes up over different legislation that comes up over different legislation that comes up over time time time but part of that is big pictures so i but part of that is big pictures so i but part of that is big pictures so i just mentioned we just mentioned we just mentioned we completed our comprehensive plan that is completed our comprehensive plan that is completed our comprehensive plan that is a fresh look right 20-year planning a fresh look right 20-year planning a fresh look right 20-year planning horizon of all of the infrastructure horizon of all of the infrastructure horizon of all of the infrastructure needs and all of the development needs needs and all of the development needs needs and all of the development needs that we have and so that by itself is that we have and so that by itself is that we have and so that by itself is going to be a change right it's meant to going to be a change right it's meant to

24:48 going to be a change right it's meant to be a change over the next 20 years be a change over the next 20 years be a change over the next 20 years and then you have more specific and then you have more specific and then you have more specific legislation legislation legislation like the fees that are you know based on like the fees that are you know based on like the fees that are you know based on a method that reflects the proportionate a method that reflects the proportionate a method that reflects the proportionate impact of new housing units so you'll impact of new housing units so you'll impact of new housing units so you'll hear more about that as we talk about hear more about that as we talk about hear more about that as we talk about uh particularly traffic impact fees and uh particularly traffic impact fees and uh particularly traffic impact fees and um um um more park impact fees actually where more park impact fees actually where more park impact fees actually where different size units different size units different size units right have a different impact right have a different impact right have a different impact potentially on the system and you kind potentially on the system and you kind potentially on the system and you kind of have this scaled version of of this scaled version of of this scaled version of proportionate impact fees based on the proportionate impact fees based on the proportionate impact fees based on the type and number of housing units and type and number of housing units and type and number of housing units and then pfas is a good example right state then pfas is a good example right state then pfas is a good example right state federal mandate didn't necessarily know about it forever didn't necessarily know about it forever right we're just right we're just right we're just still learning more and trying to figure still learning more and trying to figure still learning more and trying to figure out uh or understanding what that means out uh or understanding what that means out uh or understanding what that means to our system so these are all things to our system so these are all things to our system so these are all things that that come up of why we want to you that that come up of why we want to you that that come up of why we want to you know make sure we're looking at these know make sure we're looking at these know make sure we're looking at these fees fees fees and then we talked about the the parks and then we talked about the the parks

25:48 and then we talked about the the parks piece before is there's just a large piece before is there's just a large piece before is there's just a large uh uh uh amount of infrastructure on the park amount of infrastructure on the park amount of infrastructure on the park side between land and development side between land and development side between land and development activity that we're trying to support activity that we're trying to support activity that we're trying to support through our parks plan and so through our parks plan and so through our parks plan and so right that's right that's right that's the conversation that we need to have is the conversation that we need to have is the conversation that we need to have is how do we fund that and how do we fund that and how do we fund that and does that include again commercial does that include again commercial does that include again commercial industrial does it just include industrial does it just include industrial does it just include residential and so those are all things residential and so those are all things residential and so those are all things that we want to be looking at as we look that we want to be looking at as we look that we want to be looking at as we look at these fees so what projects are we trying to fund so what projects are we trying to fund slide nine has a slide nine has a slide nine has a table here that you know and it has some table here that you know and it has some table here that you know and it has some great examples this is not comprehensive great examples this is not comprehensive great examples this is not comprehensive by any means but we wanted to just give by any means but we wanted to just give by any means but we wanted to just give an a quick snapshot of some ideas here an a quick snapshot of some ideas here an a quick snapshot of some ideas here that that that provide or or show an impact on our provide or or show an impact on our fees in the upper left is just an fees in the upper left is just an fees in the upper left is just an example of our water system so the last example of our water system so the last example of our water system so the last time we looked at our system time we looked at our system time we looked at our system development charges for the water system development charges for the water system

26:48 development charges for the water system and our fees in general and our fees in general and our fees in general the 20-year cip was you know a little bit the 20-year cip was you know a little bit the 20-year cip was you know a little bit less than the 400 million that's shown less than the 400 million that's shown less than the 400 million that's shown but what's new since then is about 300 but what's new since then is about 300 but what's new since then is about 300 million dollars in pfas projects that million dollars in pfas projects that million dollars in pfas projects that was not included the last time that we was not included the last time that we was not included the last time that we reviewed our system development charges reviewed our system development charges reviewed our system development charges obviously a very large piece of it right obviously a very large piece of it right obviously a very large piece of it right at a 700 million dollar total program at a 700 million dollar total program at a 700 million dollar total program now quite different than it was now quite different than it was now quite different than it was six or eight years ago six or eight years ago six or eight years ago the bottom left very similar actually on the bottom left very similar actually on the bottom left very similar actually on the sewer side you have the sewer side you have the sewer side you have the incinerator replacement which has the incinerator replacement which has the incinerator replacement which has kind of become known or kind of become known or kind of become known or called the solids renewal program called the solids renewal program called the solids renewal program council's seen information about that council's seen information about that council's seen information about that over the last couple of years and yes over the last couple of years and yes over the last couple of years and yes that's going to be a phased program that's going to be a phased program that's going to be a phased program similar to pfas but even over a longer similar to pfas but even over a longer similar to pfas but even over a longer time period time period time period but that's roughly you know another 250 but that's roughly you know another 250 but that's roughly you know another 250 to 300 million dollars that's included to 300 million dollars that's included to 300 million dollars that's included in that in that in that that was also not fully baked into the that was also not fully baked into the

27:46 that was also not fully baked into the cake the last time we reviewed fees cake the last time we reviewed fees cake the last time we reviewed fees uh as far as system development charges uh as far as system development charges uh as far as system development charges and a comprehensive rate analysis and a comprehensive rate analysis and a comprehensive rate analysis um top right is transportation um top right is transportation um top right is transportation there's a number of projects listed there's a number of projects listed there's a number of projects listed here like i said here like i said here like i said i think one of the bigger impacts on the i think one of the bigger impacts on the i think one of the bigger impacts on the transportation is just transportation is just transportation is just not having the ability to open up the not having the ability to open up the not having the ability to open up the traffic impact fee analysis and traffic impact fee analysis and traffic impact fee analysis and and really update cost estimates and and really update cost estimates and and really update cost estimates and those types of things but when you think those types of things but when you think those types of things but when you think about transportation there are about transportation there are about transportation there are large projects on here as well large projects on here as well large projects on here as well 32nd avenue should be fruit valley 32nd avenue should be fruit valley 32nd avenue should be fruit valley area area area i think actually our estimate is quite a i think actually our estimate is quite a

28:32 i think actually our estimate is quite a few projects and costs have continued to few projects and costs have continued to few projects and costs have continued to escalate over time escalate over time escalate over time on those projects and then parks again i on those projects and then parks again i on those projects and then parks again i mentioned on the prior slide mentioned on the prior slide mentioned on the prior slide acquisitions and development you know acquisitions and development you know acquisitions and development you know 800 plus acres i think based on our 800 plus acres i think based on our 800 plus acres i think based on our current current current levels of service and the the current uh levels of service and the the current uh levels of service and the the current uh parks comprehensive plan parks comprehensive plan parks comprehensive plan uh very expensive right to to buy and be uh very expensive right to to buy and be uh very expensive right to to buy and be able to provide that level of service able to provide that level of service able to provide that level of service and so and so and so you know how we fund that and those you know how we fund that and those you know how we fund that and those investments we need to pay attention to investments we need to pay attention to investments we need to pay attention to definitely that i think yeah patrick gets this all that i think yeah patrick gets this all right thank you steve so uh patrick right thank you steve so uh patrick right thank you steve so uh patrick quinton director of economic prosperity quinton director of economic prosperity quinton director of economic prosperity and housing again so and housing again so and housing again so the primary way that we think about how the primary way that we think about how

29:24 the primary way that we think about how this is really hard to do without this is really hard to do without this is really hard to do without commissioning a full study and and so commissioning a full study and and so commissioning a full study and and so there is there's going to be more work there is there's going to be more work there is there's going to be more work done done done on this so we've pulled some different on this so we've pulled some different on this so we've pulled some different data sources this first slide here data sources this first slide here data sources this first slide here is is um just for impact fees the next is is um just for impact fees the next is is um just for impact fees the next slide is sdc's slide is sdc's slide is sdc's so on the impact fee side what we have so on the impact fee side what we have here is is a bar graph the first here is is a bar graph the first here is is a bar graph the first set of bars is is uh the weighted state set of bars is is uh the weighted state set of bars is is uh the weighted state average so just consider that to be average so just consider that to be average so just consider that to be that's the average that's the average that's the average across the state and if you look at