Vancouver City Council

0:00 City Council. Today is Monday, April 6, 2026. This afternoon we had two workshops, the Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Strategy Workshop and the Development Activity Update. We then went into executive session to discuss potential litigation. We are now in our regular council meeting. And would you please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Ms. Stoller.

0:55 Please call the roll. Councilmember Harless? Perez? Present. Fox? Paulson? Here. Stover? Here. Hanson? Present. Mayor McEnerny-Ogle? Present. Move to excuse Councilmembers Harless and Fox? Second. Motion and a second to excuse our two colleagues for personal reasons. Those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much. Councilors, you have in front of you the minutes of February 17th. Motion to edit February 17th with Councilmember Hanson not present at that time. And you're excusing Councilor Hanson? And excusing Councilor Hanson from that meeting. You're excusing Councilmember Hanson. Second. Motion and a

1:47 second to amend February 17th amendment. Any other discussion? Vote on the amendment. Those in favor of the amendment say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Motion to approve the minutes of February 17th as amended, please. Move to approve. Stover? Second. Paulson? Thank you very much. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Minutes of February 23rd. Move to approve. Perez? Seconded by Paulson. Paulson. Any corrections or changes? Those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Minutes of March 2nd. Move to approve. Paulson. Seconded by Hanson. Corrections or changes? All in favor say aye. Aye. Abstain?

2:46 On abstention. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Yes, Councilor. Sorry, also abstained on that one. Two abstentions on March 2nd. Perez? Stover? Thank you. Motion still passes. Minutes for March 16th. Any changes? I'll entertain a motion. Move to approve. Perez? Seconded by Hanson. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstain. One abstention from Stover. Abstain. One abstention from Paulson. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank

3:37 you. March 23rd. Move to approve. Paulson. Seconded by Perez. Perez. No changes? All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstain. One abstention. Two. Two abstentions. Hanson, Stover. Motion passes. Thank you. All right. Got through that. We have proclamations here. Let's start off with community development week. And we have -- oh, hello. The week of April 6th through 10th, 2026 is the 40th annual national community development week to celebrate the success of the community development block grant program and the home investment partnerships

4:34 program. And the CDBG program provides funding for services, neighborhood improvements and economic opportunities for people with low to moderate incomes and has been doing so since 2002. The home investment partnership program provides funding to create decent, safe, affordable housing in Vancouver. Home funds have supported 383 rental units, 40 home owners and over 800 renters with rental assistance. And the city of Vancouver recognizes that the CDBG and home funding is a partnership of federal, state and local government, nonprofit and community efforts and relies heavily on the dedication and goodwill of combined efforts. Now, therefore, I, Ann McEnerny-Ogle, mayor of Vancouver, Washington, do hereby proclaim April 6th, 2026 through April 10th as community development week in the city of Vancouver

5:33 and urge Congress and the presidential administration to recognize the outstanding work being done locally and nationally with CDBG and home by supporting increased funding for these programs in the fiscal year of 2027. We would love to have more money from them, wouldn't we? Here we go. All right. Thank you, mayor and city council. Uh, I'm Kimberly Curley and this is Tasha Slater and we are city of Vancouver staff on the housing team. Thank you for taking

6:29 this moment to recognize CDBG and home programs. National community development week is an important opportunity to highlight the real positive impact of the CDBG and home programs. These programs making meaningful difference in our community every day. By recognizing the 40th annual community development week, we also help raise awareness with Congress about just how essential these programs are and why continued increased funding is necessary to support the people and neighborhoods that rely on them, furthering our commitment to inclusivity and compassion for all. Since 2003, the city of Vancouver has received a direct allocation of CDB jump CDBG funds from HUD. In 2009, the city began receiving an annual allocation of home funding. And in 2021, the city of Vancouver received just over $2.4 million in home art funding through the American rescue plan. These funds continue

7:29 to provide critical support to some of our most vulnerable households. The housing team would also like to extend our appreciation to our partners. In 2024, during the program year, we partnered with 19 agencies using these federal funds. 17 low to moderate income households became homeowners or had their home rehabilitated. 194 micro business, micro enterprise businesses were assisted. 182 youth engaged in programming. 3,535 people received homeless services and 39 households received rental assistance. We're looking ahead at the 2026 CDBG and home awards and, um, we'll review them with you on May 4th. Uh, thank you again for taking the time to celebrate with us. And, uh, this week we will have social

8:27 media posts. So we hope that everyone will look, um, and engage on the city's social media to celebrate, uh, community development week with us. Thank you so very much. Okay, let's go to Arbor day with just Durfee and Charles Ray. The city of Vancouver has been named a tree city USA for the 37th consecutive year in recognition of his excellence and commitment to ongoing community forestry programs for planting and management of trees to maximize their benefits. And Washington, the evergreen state has celebrated Arbor day since 1917 and Vancouver's Arbor month for 2026 includes Arbor day celebration and planting at Lincoln

9:21 elementary school and the Gordon and Sylvia McWilliams evergreen award recipients on April 23rd, a month long pop-up Arboretums at our native park in homestead park and trees enhance our lives by supporting clean water, improving air quality, reducing runoff, cooling temperatures, and preventing erosion of top soil and providing wildlife food and habitat. Whereas trees help build community and beautify neighborhoods and wherever they are planted trees are a source of joy and renewal. Now, therefore, I am McInerney-Ogle mayor of Vancouver, Washington do hereby proclaim the month of April as Arbor month and recognize April 8, 2026 as Arbor day in the city of Vancouver and encourage all community members and businesses to join Vancouver's urban forestry commission in our continuous efforts to properly plant care

10:17 for and preserve trees for the good of current and future generations. So on behalf of the urban forestry commission, I'd like to say a few words about the urban forestry commission. I would like to thank you for your continued support to make Vancouver a more livable thriving community by investing in our community trees across our city. Sorry, would you put your microphone on and then yeah, just go ahead and restate that. I will do that. On behalf of the urban forestry commission, that was my rehearsal. So now

11:15 I'm totally into this. Um, on behalf of the urban forestry commission, I would like to thank you for your continued support to make Vancouver more livable, thriving community by investing in our community trees across our city. Trees are helping to reduce stormwater runoff, decrease erosion, improve air quality, shade our neighborhoods, enhance our overall quality of life, and contribute to the beauty of our wonderful city through trees and working with the community. The urban forestry commission helps achieve all of the city's core values. The simple truth is trees are not just a nicety. They are a necessity. This year also marks 37 years for Vancouver as a tree city USA. I personally, along with my fellow commissioners am honored to be given an opportunity to serve our community as an urban forestry commissioner.

12:14 We are always looking for other tree lovers who might want to volunteer. So for more information, community members can talk, contact us at three six zero four eight seven tree or trees at city of Vancouver dot us or visit us online. Thank you so much. Thank you. Good evening mayor and council members. A Charles Ray urban forester with public works and staff member for the urban forester commission. We also were recognized with the growth award for our climate initiatives as well as our training programs for both urban forester commissioners and staff. And then also we're wrapping up our annual report and we planted over two thousand trees with community support and participation. And then also community members volunteered over four thousand hours towards our work projects. But then also the urban

13:12 forestry commission also volunteered over four hundred hours. And if they only showed up for meetings they would be about one hundred and thirty hours each. So great great involved community members on the urban forestry commission. So thank you. Charles we have a little chart out on the hallway here but we've used up all the slots so do we need to get a new chart for this thirty seventh little award. So we have a new plaque that's over at marine park engineering now that's starting to fill up. Okay so we'll be bringing that to Arbor day. I don't know how you got four eight seven tree for a phone number but congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. We have some special friends this evening Lonnie and Cora Chandler

14:11 are in the house tonight. Whereas today's northwest coffee culture did not yet exist in nineteen ninety and Cora and Lonnie Chandler recognize the potential of downtown Vancouver to become a thriving engine of community. And whereas in nineteen ninety one Cora and Lonnie founded operated and opened downtown's first expresso bar. Helping pave the way for revitalization and whereas through its consistent quality warm hospitality and familiar presence Java house has remained a beloved and enduring fixture of downtown Vancouver reflecting the spirit of local enterprise and community pride. And whereas after many years of dedicated

15:06 service the Chandler's have announced their retirement and the sale of this cherished establishment marking the end of an era in Vancouver's downtown history. Now therefore I am McInerney Ogle mayor of Vancouver Washington do hereby recognize and celebrate the legacy of Java house in the city of Vancouver and extend our deepest gratitude for its owners for their years of service commitment and community building and we wish them happiness and fulfillment in their well earned retirement.

16:01 Well thank you all very much a lot of familiar faces up here. One of the things that we most often get asked is who was your first customer. And we jokingly look around and say well if you walk down the street there there's a you'll see a statue of her her name was Sacagawea. However the truth is our first customer was a guy named Paul Tuye who was the head of social security down here at the time. And Paul had been walking around in circles for a few minutes afraid to go back to his office because of things that were going on there.

16:59 And he walked in and says are you guys open and we said yes come on in let me give you a free cup of coffee and he says I can't pay for the first cup of coffee that you've had. I said well how about when you get the second cup it'll be on us and that's how we started the free refills. But thank you very much and it has been a wonderful 37 years. It is truly a great community to live and work in. And will continue to do so. We have been honored to have you. Cora, any note? Thank you so much. Thank you so much. We'll miss everybody. And we'll miss you. We always are amazed how you remember people and what they want to

17:51 drink. So 37 years we appreciate all of the community building that you have been doing. So don't be a stranger. Let's see you around town once again. You will see us. Okay. Every day. Thank you so much. Thank you. That concludes our proclamations and brings us into community communication. I have one card this evening. Bruce Barnes would like to talk about items 1-10. Good evening mayor and council. Thanks for the opportunity to speak. My name is Bruce

18:48 Barnes for the record. I noticed on some of these bids here that there's out of town contractors and I understand it's the lowest responsible bidder but man I'll tell you our union holes are suffering. We've got over a thousand electricians out of work. And I would hope that you'd take that into consideration when you guys do your bids and maybe you can do some project labor agreements. You know we've had a great relationship with the the cowlitz indian tribes and they've really appreciated the quality of work that we've done at their casino. Always neat complete up to date on time. No injuries. No accidents. You know always what they want. And I would hope that the city would also want that because I know there's a lot of union members that work for your city and our unions would love to work for the city as well. So I would just

19:46 ask that you guys consider that next time you guys do some bids. I know we've talked about it at the labor round table as well about doing some project labor agreements with the city and the county. So I would hope that you guys would consider that and that's all I got for now. Thank you. I'll close the community communication and bring it into the consent agenda. Councilors are there any items that you would like to pull? So let me read item number nine into the record. This title is an ordinance relating to management

20:36 of the rights of way granting to Michelle Michelle Telecom Inc. Lightcurve and its affiliates a corporation a non-exclusive and revocable franchise to install operate maintain a telecommunications system on on in over upon along and across public ways of the city of Vancouver establishing certain rights duties terms and conditions with respect to the franchise and setting an effective date and conditions grantee in the city are sometimes collectively referred to as the parties hearing no item to be pulled I have a motion to approve items one through ten second second by Stoeber comments mayor counselor so I very much appreciate mr. Barnes

21:35 comments this evening and I understand that a lot of principles of a project later agreement find their way into our contracts but they're they're buried into larger documents I for one would very much like to see our standards brought out into a single document that is something that's easier for us to share to reference and can be can really be a standard and and we can be very clear about where we are and what are the opportunities we still have to grow as a community thank you very much thank you and I'd like to thank staff for item number eight the collective bargaining agreement with our Vancouver police officers

22:29 Guild I knew that there was a great deal of work involved in that thank you for working so well we have a motion and a second all those in favor say aye aye opposed motion passes thank you very much that brings us into item number 11 this is the public hearing this is an ordinance relating to the 2025-26 biennial budget and making supplemental appropriations in various funds needed to meet certain necessary expenditures to be incurred in 2025-26 which were not or could not reasonably have been foreseen at the time of the adoption of the 2025-26 budget declaring an emergency and providing for an immediate effective date staff summary please thank you mayor and council thank you Shannon Olson budget manager here

23:24 at the city here with Lisa Brandl Lisa Brandl deputy city manager interim CFO good evening good evening all right let's jump in so most of this is the same as what we reviewed on the workshop on March 2nd but we will go through it again at a quick high-level summary just to give a little overview the supplemental budget does occur during the biennium to adjust the appropriation due to unanticipated circumstances any adjustments to the budget do require approval by council to amend the current biennial budget and this supplemental specifically does include administrative items expenditures associated with new external revenues as well as requests

24:16 based on newly identified needs as well as adjustments to some revenues we did go in detail on all of these revenue adjustments last time but just to recap due to some decline that we've seen in permit activity and permit activity does impact all revenues generated from new development including sales tax as well as park and transportation impact fees within the supplemental we did adjust our impact fee revenue budget to match the revenue that we have received through 2025 as mentioned last time our cable franchise revenue has been adjusted to better align with the forecasted amounts as we have seen a decline in the revenue with cable subscribers canceling their services to stream their services instead within the

25:13 supplemental we are adjusting the cable utility tax as well to match what was received in 2025 as well as or due to the actual revenues not being starting to accrue until the second quarter of 2025 so we are adjusting to match to the actuals and then also now that we have some revenues coming in we are adjusting 2026 to better align with what we know to be true utility tax revenues in 2025 came in higher than forecasted so those taxes are getting trued up for 2025 as well as more aligned with the forecast in 2026 and then we have added the $6 million in new revenue for proposition 5 and then due to the passing of proposition

26:06 5 the bank capacity revenue from proposition 2 for 2026 is recommended to be removed within this supplemental and we will go into the prop 2 bank capacity a little bit further in the presentation overall within operating and capital the recommended expenditure appropriation for the city's operating and capital funds total seventy point one million which is pretty similar to prior supplemental budgets this supplemental specifically will result in utilizing 14.2 million in city resources and of that amount the general fund share is a credit

26:52 of 4.1 million of the 70.1 million you can see the breakout here we have 35.5 million relating to the operating side and 34.6 million to the capital budget the general street fire funds specifically make up 8.1 of the appropriation with 27.4 million within other operating funds and then of the 34.6 in capital we have 26.1 related specifically to capital projects and then 8.5 million is representing the funding transfers that support the capital projects

27:46 excuse me these next two slides go over the FTEs that are recommended to be added within the supplemental 27 in total but as discussed in the workshop the majority of the FTEs do have offsetting revenue support and then as discussed in the last council meeting the position reclasses that did require additional budget or were not represented on schedule D are shown on the appropriate attachment B as we talked about additionally positions that change departments are also reflected on attachment B as appropriate and attachment B is in your council packet and then circling back to prop 2 bank capacity so this as mentioned the supplemental does remove their prop 2 bank capacity revenue due to the passing of

28:45 proposition 5 that was passed in 25 the prop 2 bank capacity revenue was budgeted at 5.5 million to support fire capital and operational expenses 3.6 million was specifically budgeted for the completion of fire station 8 in 2026 however now that that revenue is recommended to be removed from the sub or within the supplemental there will be a resolution on the council's consent agenda scheduled for next week April 13th requesting an inner fund loan from the general fund to fire so that station 8 has the funding support needed to complete the project in 2026 with the expectation of the proposition 2 bank capacity going into place

29:38 in 2027 for the loan to start getting repaid and with that I am happy to address any questions that you might have thank you so shown when you talk about the reclassification those are for the salaries of individuals that are being promoted and and they're in a new classification yeah so if yeah if somebody's getting a promotion or just reclass due to a market study if they do need additional budget than it is included it is shown on attachment B also we have schedule D that represents all the positions at the city for non-union specifically if there's a position reclass that occurs where that position doesn't is not already listed on schedule D then it also gets added at to attachment B for transparency great thank you so much

30:33 other comments of staff yes Councillor Stoker thank you mayor thank you for the presentation can you go a little bit one step deeper and and walk through why we need to remove the bank capacity change yeah please I feel like that one got pointed my direction in essence it was to moderate the impact on property taxes when the voters approved proposition 5 just for in using round numbers that would be about a 15 cent property tax increase that's basically the equivalent of what the the dollars that are in proposition 2 would do which would have resulted in about a 13 14 percent property tax increase all in one year so in the interests of not really slamming the taxpayers we wanted to make sure that we moderated that and so

31:32 we figured out a way to be able to continue with our capital projects but then we'll defer the imposition of the banked capacity until 2027 thank you okay Councillor Perez go ahead that was my same question thank you council member still there so I just wanted to put it in layman terms that what does that mean to the taxpayer all right any other questions if you want to further elaborate on that oh yeah it was really to avoid hitting them with two tax increases in the same calendar year knowing that the approval of proposition 5 we asked them for a pretty steep jump just with that one ask and with the proposition 2 banked capacity it would have almost doubled it up and then what does that mean for our fire department we still have the banked capacity and we do anticipate tapping into that in

32:29 2027 but the purpose of the internal loan that Shannon was outlining will let us keep moving with the capital projects okay thank you okay let's go ahead and open the public hearing Bruce Barnes please Bruce Barnes for the record thanks for the opportunity to speak on your budget I would like to make some suggestions I see a lot of when I go to the grocery store I don't care if it's WinCo or Safeway or whatever I always see seems to be four firefighters walking grocery shopping and I'm all for firefighters I'm all for what they do I'm all for first responders but I think that there's a an easier way to do their shopping I mean we can all

33:29 order food to our home we can all order groceries to our home they've got cadets that can go out and do their grocery shopping so that would be one suggestion with the rising cost of fuel we saw fuel at diesel fuel in Woodland Saturday at $8 a gallon and those fire trucks get maybe three four miles a gallon they don't get very good fuel mileage so I'm suggesting less trips you know down to the waterfront or just out for cruising around and have your cadets go shopping and not waste that fuel on the fire truck because that would definitely impact your budget I guarantee in a year you know I mean less driving less less money out and the other thing is hopefully put some money in for garbage cleanup because the Columbian did a really good article about Vancouver and the highways being trashed and we need to clean that up so I hope there's money in that budget to clean that up and I would suggest

34:28 getting the inmates out there they can also work off their their their sentencing which would lessen the burden to the taxpayers because would say it's like a hundred and seventy dollars a day to have them incarcerated let's get those people out in the sunshine cleaning up our freeways and you know make this place clean and pristine again so thank you any other comments no online thank you close the public hearing bring it back counselors any other discussion I'll entertain a motion move to approve Paulson seconded by Perez roll call vote please councilmember Perez aye Paulson aye Stover aye Hanson Mayor McEnerny

35:27 Ogle aye motion passes unanimously thank you very much that concludes the business portion of it going into communications from the council counselor press pass for tonight thank you counselor Paulson pass counselor sober I'm gonna pass counselor Hanson mayor I have one thing to bring up from last month and it was the foundation they have a restorative justice panel series and this one was the other side of crime and Lester Griffith Griffin Lester Griffin was the panel moderator for this and it was one of the most impactful things I've seen in quite some time there were five speakers all parents and all of them had lost a child to guns in the community two of the five panelists had lost two children so if you do get the

36:26 chance to see one of these panels I highly recommend it it is definitely well attended and there's a reason for that that's all I have mayor thank you very much yes counselor go ahead if I could back up and thank you counselor Hanson ten centrally related next Tuesday a week from tomorrow the Indian Community homelessness organization echo which is an organization run by the county to coordinate jurisdictions around the issue of homelessness will be doing a law enforcement panel and members of the public are welcome to come 930 to 1130 at the Public Service Center the county's headquarters and it will also be

37:18 online thank you thank you and at one o'clock Saturday we'll have a new poet laureate magenta so we will hear lots of wonderful poems and find out who our new poet laureate is they did moving poems all on all the c-tran buses so we're excited about that city manager anything yeah I'd like to invite Laura Shepard to come up and talk with the council a little bit about the new accessibility guidelines for digital communication mayor council good evening I'm Laura Shepard I'm the director of communications and actually I'm here tonight to talk with you a little bit about accessibility at City Council I was originally scheduled to give

38:16 you a briefing next next week at dinner but I got the week wrong and showed up a week early so thought we would take advantage of having a little time today so what I'm going to try to do is model a little bit of what we're expected to do after the deadline so what I'm gonna do right now I'm going to get up and I'm going to be handing a stack of papers to our city attorney and while that is happening I'll give you a little bit of background and actually I'm scheduled to come here on April 27th to talk with you more about the entire project so I'll try to stay focused on just this this component of it but so but for those of you that don't know the depart last year the Department of Justice published a new rule on digital accessibility that all all jurisdictions must follow cities counties

39:12 ports school districts which basically says that all of our digital content must be accessible to all people so we've been working for the last year on a variety of fronts again that I will share with you on the 27th so you can know the full scope of what we've been doing but what I was going to talk with you tonight was about what we what we need to do at City Council to help make our meetings more accessible and what it comes down to is being more descriptive about our actions so some of the things that we have done to help comply with that we have purchased a new system that work that we have been training staff on and that our CVTV folks have been trying out it's called audible site and one of the things that this new software does it will help provide audio captions for our meetings audio captioning only goes part of the way what it's going to take is also a behavior change on all of our parts who

40:10 present at Council and then those of you who who run the meeting so what you're seeing in front of you in that handout is some standards that we wrote sorry about that that we wrote to help you when you preside at meetings and we also wrote standards to help staff understand what they need to do when they present at meetings so you'll know what to expect when they present and then we also created guidelines for to help staff understand how they create their materials so what we're trying to do is make your meetings as accessible as possible on as many fronts from when the public sees the information online to when we're here in front of you presenting the information and then when we're interacting about that information so so I can go through this I sent it in my Friday message as a pre read or I can answer questions about it if you if you had an opportunity to do to take a

41:09 look at it on Friday I know you have a lot going on so if you'd like I can go ahead and just take you through it if you'd like counselors do you want to go through it or did you do your homework and ready for questions I read mine red red yep yep okay we read it oh excellent do you have questions of Laura so we're starting to see that at the bottom of different documents that are coming through when is the full implementation expected Laura the full implementation is on April 27 so we're coming up on the deadline very fast and oh actually I'll be in front of you on the 27th that the deadline is actually the 26th of April and when I come to see you on the 27th I'll bring you and you'll see it in your packet too I'll bring you a full report of all the different activities that we've been doing for the better part of a year and a half now to make sure that we're going to meet to the best of our ability this

42:05 deadline but I will let you know it is going to be a journey and we won't get it right at first well there will be places where we'll have to learn as we go and places where we just have to keep keep learning some of the things I was noticing in tonight's meeting and I will be talking to all the directors tomorrow to help them understand what they need to do when they are at meetings too so I was taking note during the workshop to see some of the places that we might have a few places to shore up how we present so for example during the meeting so for example I observed when we were doing the proclamation tonight two staff members just came to the table so in the future what we'll need to do is whoever's presiding mayor whether it's you or whether it's mayor pro tem you'll need to invite people to the dais and say who we're inviting to the dais when you come around and give a proclamation what you'll need to do is describe that action to I'm going to I'm going to go whatever your

43:04 language is that you want to use basically letting people know that you're coming around to give the proclamation and potentially have a photo you know just think about the different things that we're doing in the meetings that lend itself to to description and that allows when we use audible site to make sure we have a full picture of it not only in what we're presenting but you know a software is only as good as what it's getting so if we're describing our activities very well we won't necessarily need to rely on the softer so for example when you have occasion to ask the city manager or the city attorney to to tell you about something during a meeting you'll want to call the city manager by his name you want to say city manager lawn lawn plug on will you please do x or we'd like an opinion from city attorney and state her name and then also too when you are interacting with each

43:59 other you'll want to say each other's name so mayor for example in that last in the in the item before the supplemental budget when you call on your colleagues to speak you said yes and then turned them so what you'll want to do now is say yes counselor hands Hansen you may speak or yes counselor Stover you may speak so you'll just need to be a little bit more attuned to making sure that people know who is speaking so before you speak for the first time you'll want to introduce yourself so counselor Paulson whenever you speak you'll want to say counselor Eric Paulson and then then go into it and over time people will begin to recognize their voices but if you're attending one of our meetings for the first time it's still important that we that we do that every time staff will have a heavier lift than you they will have to change how they describe visuals when I think about the

44:55 presentation that Chad and Patrick gave you today during during the workshop it was a very good presentation I was taking notes of the things they did very well and I was also taking notes of some of the some of the habits that we're going to need to change and one of those habits are we're going to need to describe charts a lot a lot better or a lot more descriptively than we do we're going to have to let people know when we go to the next page or for example at the end of that presentation mayor you said can we go back to the previous slide what you'll want to try to do is say can we go back to slide 13 so it's just it's little things like that and eventually it's like anything once we do it it will become easier and easier for us to do but these standards that I gave you kind of help you understand what you need to do during the meetings and I'm always happy to come and talk with you about them and we'll update them as we see new things at the end of this handout that I gave you and and thank you all for reading it ahead time you'll see

45:53 some of the things that we'll be expecting staff to say like when they talk about maps when they talk about charts and those sorts of things so so do we expect the federal government to do the same thing I hope so okay yes go ahead counselor Laura counselor Perez thank you mayor this is counselor Perez speaking is this going to be rolled over into our city's accessibility plan I would I've been talking with joy joy about what we're doing and I do have a section in that so it's one of the things I need to review actually it's on my to-do list but I've been working working to make sure that this is comprehensive and all the departments are are involved in it thank you yes counselors counselors Stover thank

46:47 you mayor and McInerney Ogle and this is councilmember Ty Stover and thank you Laura we're probably taking it a little too far but this is good that we're practicing this so she so she said counselor Stope called on you counselor Stover and so since you were just introduced you don't need to necessarily say your name right away again thank you as you talk about presiding in this document there's only two maybe three people on this dais that preside so it would be great if you did a guide for the rest of us yes thank you I can do that okay all right

47:42 so miss dollar would you be so kind as to put just a common statement at the bottom of each one of those proclamations a couple of those little notes that Laura just talked about inviting the individuals by name up to talk to us and we always walk over to present the proclamation to them so we'll want to put that down there also just as a reminder who's ever in this seat thank you Laura anything else not for now I'm just looking forward to seeing you all in the 27th great thank you so very much city manager any other item that's all from me tonight mayor all right thank you so very much so counselors will now be going into the portion of our meeting designated for our community forum where individuals are just talking to us tonight city council policy tells us is an opportunity for us to

48:41 hear from our community members policy calls for this portion of the meeting to be audio recorded for the city council assistant in general this portion is not televised therefore we'll take a moment ask CBTV to stop their video feed in compliance with the open public meetings act we will not be taking any votes or engaging in any final action on any matter from here on out so with that counselors let's go ahead and take a transition CBTV thank you very much say goodbye and we'll start with our community members in just a moment

49:32 you'll see you next time. Thank you.